Maybe you should use your line of argument of the multiple proofs offered by Moses and compare that to the FDS, and offer really lame proofs suchas their claim they are appointed by God according to the Watchtower so and so. ..or they claim to have been chosen between 1914 to 1919 when the iconic Finished Mystery book was written. It may get someone to think, or it may lead you to a JC eventually.
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I need help! Talk coming up and I need ideas fast!
by BU2B inomg i am so distressed.
i have a talk coming up on tuesday, it is the number 3 "abiram.
why opposing god appointed authority is tantamount to opposing god himself"!.
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Hello, I am new
by LillyC ini am not a jehovah's witness but i am very interested, i have many questions and hope they can be answered here.. i do believe in god, privately.
i do say my prayers daily and do believe god helps me in countless ways.
but i don't go to any church.. i have always been impressed at how smart, polite and nice jehovah's witnesses are and i always make time to speak to them when they call at my door.
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never a jw
I have not been religious since I was 13. However, I like religious people, well I liked them until I started my research about the history of JW's, the history of the Bible and the history of christianity.
After two years of research I still like the humble and innocent people who put their heart and trust into the doctrines of a religion. The people that I don't like are the leaders of the Watchtower. They are dishonest, manipulative and arrogant. Do your research. You have lots to read before you make any serious decision that you are likely to regret later. Baptizing as a JW is a very, very serious decision.
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BOE District Overseers- CONFIDENTIAL
by WatchTower87 ininstruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.
no virus ;-).
boe district overseers- confidential pdf: http://adf.ly/glwdn.
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never a jw
More control and less accountability for the top guys. Looks like the plan to close shop and make millions disappear has started.
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the bible and its prophecies
by Crazyguy ini have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.
its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.
but what i don't get is the prophecies.
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never a jw
Assuming prophecies are real, why would a loving God send messages in such a convoluted manner that lends itself for multiple interpretations. Almighty as he is, he could prepare a clear message in plain whatever language is needed, lay it on visible spots, make it of indestructible, or at least long lasting material. After all, he created the universe, so the task of preparing clear messages for a bunch of egocentric beings in a tiny spot of the universe should be easy enough to do. May be he is not loving, or almighty, or not there altogether, or He is out there but not intervening in our affairs. I like the latter. Under this scheme human affairs and reality make sense.
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Over 7yrs as a JW and I just found out I'm not supposed to buy Girl Scout Cookies?
by Maat13 ini'm still in the matrix(the truth), but 'morpheus' and his team are valiantly working on a way to get me out.
in the meantime, everyday i am discovering so much about being a jw i never knew, like don't buy girl scout cookies, that i keep asking myself "what have i got myself into".. maat.
really lame for a first post, but i figure i should start some where.
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never a jw
Welcome.
In my two years as a non JW(before that I was just an average deist/agnostic/atheist/pantheist/) I have learned a lot. Watchtower's publications can certainly be a University education, that is if you dig the material they quote and the material that they overtly fail to quote.
Contrary to everything you are going to hear here, there are some of us who have a debt to the organization because it has pushed us to learn. Let me get started.
I trusted scientists and the theory of evolution but I didn't know why. Now I do.
I believed that religion was myth, but good. Now I am very ambivalent about it, leaning towards "religion is bad in general"
I used to somehow adhere to the belief that homosexuals were not quite equally deserving of some rights. Now I believe they deserve everything heterosexuals get.
I knew nothing about ancient history. Now I know at least some at an elementary level.
I knew nothing about the early chrsitianity. Now I know above elementary level.
I knew almost nothing about the Bible and the formation of the Canon. Now I know enough to give trouble to JW's and poke many, many, many holes at the holy book. (now I understand why they call it the holy book)
I knew nothing about cults. Now I do, especially about JW's
I used to believe that smart people can not easily be brainwashed. Now I have seen it with my own eyes.
I knew nothing about the history of the JW's and their leaders. Now I can give lectures to C.O. and D.O.s
I knew nothing about biblical times chronologies. Now I do, enough to offer $40,000.00 to any JW who can prove the chronology used to arrive at 1914 is well supported by facts and evidence.
Finally. I have learned, thanks to my study of the Watchtower and JW's, that Carl Sagan was spot on when he wrote:
The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.”
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The Last BOE!
by Atlantis inthis is the last boe we will be able to provide.
our informant or source, was caught, disfellowshipped, and thrown out of bethel.
we knew that sooner or later the watchtower would find him out.
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hidden surveillance cameras....mmm.....where, when have I read this before...it's coming ...it's coming, yes it was in Orwell's 1984. Big brother is always watching.
Thanks Atlantis and your brave contact. I live in Los Angeles if he needs help of some kind, I will be there.
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my letter to my JW brothers
by never a jw ini know, it's in spanish.
i need to test your skills with a foreign language.
it's very late now.
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never a jw
Translation is very good but requires a few adjustments. I will do it tomorrow. Thanks. i think I will just create a new thread.
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I'm not trying to brag, but being an EXJW is awesome!!! Status Update-
by Coffee House Girl inhello jwn!
i don't get to check in here or comment as often as i would like because i have been working so hard at school...but i just have to share my news in hopes that newbees can see that taking the leap to enroll in higher education is worth it-.
i am graduating this spring with a bachelor degree in art history, minor anthropology...many people (including nonjw's have given me flack for choosing a "dead end" career path) but since leaving the watchtower organization's group-think mentality and "leaning on my own understanding" instead... i decided to say fuck everyone else's opinion...i am going to pursue my passion to work in a museum as a curator or archivist-.
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never a jw
Congratulations. You have the full right to BRAG BIG TIME. You alone, among thousands, pursued your dream career without any concerns for anything else but to do exactly what you want. Most of us prefer money over our calling. You chose your passion, before financial gain. You have integrity, passion, guts and talent.
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my letter to my JW brothers
by never a jw ini know, it's in spanish.
i need to test your skills with a foreign language.
it's very late now.
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never a jw
I know, it's in Spanish. I need to test your skills with a foreign language. It's very late now. I will make time later tomorrow to translate. Spanish speaker give me your opinion. I am not a JW. My brothers are hard core, but not so stupid as to not be troubled by the letter.
Queridos hermanos,
He decidido escribir esta carta principalmente para advocar por el bienestar de los jóvenes, especialmente aquellos más cercanos a nosotros, nuestros hijos y sobrinos.
Como ustedes saben, inmediatemente después de que mi hija Cristina me pidió permiso para bautizarse como Testigo de Jehová, yo decidí aprender todo lo más posible acerca de su religión. Mis investigaciones me han llevado a aprender acerca de un gran número de temas muy interesantes tales como historia, religión, astronomía, sicología y arqueología. Además, he aprendido con gran detalle la historia y doctrinas de los Testigos. Durante mi búsqueda también me pude dar cuenta de la facilidad con la cual uno obtiene acceso a todo tipo de información que no hubiera sido posible 15 o 20 años atrás. Ciertamente, los medios de comunicación han cambiado de una manera vertiginosa en años recientes.
Aún cuando los temas que he aprendido son diversos, todos ellos se relacionan de una manera directa o indirecta con su religión. Las conclusiones de mis investigaciones pueden resumirse en pocas palabras: “La Verdad” no ha hecho honor a su nombre; “La Verdad” es el nombre equivocado. Miles de personas alrededor del mundo han decidido abandonarla porque han descubierto engaño y manipulación detrás del velo de armonía social y moralidad ejemplar de sus miembros. Miles más pretenden aceptarla porque temen perder el lazo social con sus familiares y amigos si revelan sus verdaderos sentimientos. Los líderes de “la Verdad” son implacables contra cualquiera que se atreva a cuestionar su autoridad. Ellos han abusado de esta autoridad al sacrificar miles de vidas inocentes y torturar sicologicamente a cientos de miles más.
Se requieren volúmenes para explicar y corroborar el párrafo anterior. De hecho, ya se han escrito y se siguen escribiendo docenas de libros, los cuales ustedes rehusan leer porque los autores son descritos por la Sociedad usando los adjetivos mas vitriólicos y calumniosos, pero nunca ofreciendo un argumento válido para defenderse de la crítica objetiva de muchos de estos llamados “apóstatas”. No se preocupen, no dejen de leer, yo no voy a dar detalles del argumento persuasivo y veraz de aquellos que han decidido combatir “la Verdad”. Tampoco voy hacerles preguntas difíciles, no tiene caso. Cada vez que lo hago obtengo una respuesta evasiva, silencio, o respuestas que ni siquiera corresponden a la pregunta. Ustedes deciden cuando quieren empezar su investigación, si es que un día lo quieren hacer.
Gracias a los medios modernos de comunicación, la verdad acerca de “La verdad” se esta difundiendo de manera rápida y efectiva. El haberla conocido me ha llevado a la decisión de ayudar a proteger y defender a los más inocentes y vulnerables, los jóvenes y niños Testigos. Nunca olvidaré el ver a "disfellowshipped daughter of an elder who has not been back in more than 10 years" partir del salón del reino antes de la conclusión de la reunión para poder evitar el ostracismo cruel y humillante al cual se somete a todos aquellos jóvenes que han hecho precisamente lo que sus mismos padres se sienten orgullosos de haber hecho, abandonar la religion que se les inculcó de niños. Literalmente “que poca madre”, “que poco padre”. Que acto tan vergonzoso que supuestos cristianos traten a sus propios hijos de la manera más cruel permitida por las leyes humanas. Sin embargo, no los puedo culpar porque estos padres también son víctimas de un liderazgo arrogante, engañador y manipulador.
A lo largo de los últimos dos años también he llegado a comprender que abandonar “la Verdad” es muy difícil para muchos. De hecho, es común darse cuenta de gente que mentalmente está fuera, pero físicamente están dentro de la organización. Ustedes podrían justificadamente ser parte de este grupo que piensa que “no tiene a donde ir”. Son muchos años de un estilo de vida que les ha brindado felicidad y armonía, así como una red extensa de amigos que sinceramente los quieren. Lo entiendo, pero espero que por lo menos lleguen a comprender que al igual que ustedes tuvieron libertad para cambiar de creencias, así también ustedes ofrezcan esta libertad a sus hijos y mis hijos sin recurrir a la manipulación emocional y ostracismo si un día ellos toman esa decisión.
Espero que hayan podido soportar mi lenguaje severo acerca de su religión. Tienen que admitir que el lenguaje que la Sociedad ha usado ya por cien años para referirse a los no-Testigos es mucho peor. En otro tiempo este lenguaje vitriólico de la Sociedad me divertía, ahora me enfurece.
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The Revelation of Saint John the Divine
by Caupon inapparently there are anointed members of god's earthy organization, or the jehova's christian witness church.
my understanding of this is that those select few appointed by holy spirit directed by he who is above will rule over the other sheep with the jesus in heaven.
their biblical proof of this is supposedly in the acts of the apostles and the last book, the revelation.
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Band on the Run
Good summary of the book. I just read it and your summary is pretty much what I remember best of it.